She saw the open knife in Ferrer's hand and he said, "we need to get rid of this and I saw him toss it somewhere"

The defense's second witness was Sophie Rocheleau.

Rocheleau said Ferre and she got together late evening on November 24. Her account of that evening was pretty much the same as Ferrer except she did not mention them sharing "half a fifth of Jim Beam" at Stoiber's house and she made a crucial statement that Everett's was not the last bar they went to but that they went back to the Alibi.

Ferrer has been asked this a few times and each time he had denied that the three went back to Alibi. The list of discrepancies and lies by Ferrer are growing day by day. She also said that there were no plans to stop by the school on the way home to finish a bottle of whiskey but that they did buy one.

Then she gave her version of the events that led to the altercation between Ferrer and Douglas Anderson.

She called Ferrer "Joey." They were walking in a single file. There was "a little bit of banter" as they were walking. They were all in a good mood she said. Then, "We heard some shouting from behind us to the right." The tone was angry, she said. "Initially, it something along the lines of faggots, fuck u guys." Rocheleau said initially she didn't thik it was directed at her, Ferrer and Stoiber but then they turned around because "no one else was around." She said the person  was shouting and "walking in our direction. At first he was on the other side then he crossed over and continued to shout"

Mr. Reavis asked what Anderson was yelling. "More of the same incendiary results."

Mr. Reavis: "Have you been shouted like that on the streets of Arcata?"

Rocheleau: "Not like that."

Rocheleau said it was a continuous rant. That caused them alarm. She said the words "faggots" and "fat bitch" stood out to her "Other words were just a tirade." She assumed he was drunk "because he was verbally assaulting three people on the street for no reason."

She said the three did not say anything but "we looked at each other like wtf is going on?"

Then she said he walked past them toward the intersection of the sidewalk they were also walking to and "eventually Joey said, he fuck you."

"The person stopped, turned around, like he was going to yell and made a movement in their direction. At this point everything happened very fast."

She said by this time, Ferrer was in front of her and Stoiber. Anderson and Ferrer were a few feet apart and then they came face to face. She said Anderson "takes a couple of steps" towards Ferrer. She wasn't sure if Anderson was still yelling. "They both mutually approached each other."

Mr. Reavis asked," Did you see if Mr. Ferrer had a knife?"

"No," said Rocheleau. She said she knew he carried one occasionally for utility purposes.

Then she made a statement that is key. This was in response to questions by Mr. Reavis. "It looks to me that Joey punched Mr. Anderson-Jordet." Mr. Reavis asked her to demonstrate and with a right hand, she made a forward thrusting motion. "It's difficult to say if Mr. Anderson-Jordet made contact with Joey but he was definitely approaching in a hostile manner."

Mr. Reavis asked, "Was Joey scared?"

Rocheleau said yes and this was "based on Joey's defensive posture."

She said that after Ferrer had punched, "the guy fell down and got back up." Mr. Reavis asked if Anderson was hurt and Rocheleau said no. "Did he say anything," asked Mr. Reavis. Rocheleau responded, "No."

"At that point, Nick and I were there. I was just following Joey; I was concerned and the guy sprang up right in front of my face. Joey was to standing to the right, to the side. I kinda whacked him with my arm to get past him." She said she struck him in the chest but not hard. "He stumbled down again. It surprised me he did. He fell on his back and then he started kicking me. I kicked him back and my shoe fell off. I made contact with his legs. Nick shoved me out of the way. He was getting back up and Nick punches him, once to the face."

Mr. Reavis: "Did you, Nick and Joey plan to put the beat down on Mr. Anderson-Jordet?"

Rocheleau: "No."

Rocheleau said they walked away from Anderson at a fast pace and could hear "incoherent yelling" from Anderson. When they turned at 12th Street, "Joey stopped and said, 'Oh shit, I think I stabbed him.'." Rocheleau said both her and "Nick were like, what? I didn't believe it; it's not what I saw. It didn't seem plausible,"

When Mr. Reavis asked her why she thought it wasn't plausible, she said, "Stab is a fairly serious injury. He didn't seem to be seriously injured by his continued aggression."

She said that "We were just like, lets' get out of here." At that point she saw the open knife in Ferrer's hand. "He said, we need to get rid of this and I saw him toss it somewhere."